Pleasant Goose > petroleum-based nitrogen fertilizers did you miss the part of my post (most of it) where I was talking about synthetic petroleum? that's as carbon neutral as the inputs > pollute ground water sure. this is seemingly unrelated to the discussion of nuclear, fossil fuels, and carbon release tho > kill soil again seemingly unrelated, as above. that being said. this is FUD. corners are cut in the pursuit of profits. it could easily be fixed if doing so was financially incentivized > It's poisoned ground water & rivers/lakes throughout NZ where I live. it doesn't have to. but look, do you like eating or not? personally I'm not willing to starve to death. neither am I about to give up beef or pork or whatever it is the far left decides to go after tomorrow. industrial farming isn't going anywhere if I have anything to say about it. fix it up or don't. if you try to get rid of it you're my sworn enemy I strongly suspect that most people who express the sort of opposition to modern agriculture that you are here are simply grossly uninformed. but the thing is, if someone goes after the primary food source keeping you and your family alive the _why_ doesn't really matter. all that matters is that they're effectively trying to kill you > outside of manufacture yeah, have fun with that lithium mining