and of course the flip side of this is just as bad - namely AudioScienceReview forum where talking about hearing anything is frowned upon they are not allowed to listen on there - they only measure speakers like if you don't listen to speakers - why do you have them in the first place ? to measure them ? fucking idiots ... if you were designing commercial loudspeakers then i get it - you would have to measure them and not necessarily listen - but you're designing DIY speakers FOR YOURSELF - wouldn't it make sense to make them so that they sound good to your own ears ? well the retards at AudioScienceReview do not think so ... they just try to get speakers to measure well and then suffer with whatever the resulting sound is which they are not allowed to tune to sound better because that would make the measurements "worse" ... indeed everything humans do is retarded. you can be a retard or anti-retard who is even more retarded. those are the options. it is the same in politics or with Audiophiles or with anything else.