Wide Echidna "I've heard as many on the left call for white genocide as those on the right calling for minority genocide" this is where i got the number of people thing from. I wouldn't say it's fair, that seems like a status quo bias to me because the orientation of someone's ideology/beliefs is in relation to the society in which they live. For instance, an ideologically extreme person in a monarchy pushing for representative democracy would be seen as extreme by the average person in a monarchy, but we'd see them as reasonable because the value system/ideological framework that is the default in liberal democracies in 2023 is in opposition of monarchy. Also, what does "rational" mean to you? The word doesn't mean much to me, it's just kind of a mapping between a value system and outcomes. If someone's left-wing they have a certain value system/desired outcomes and whether or not their behaviors/thoughts are rational would be to what extent they adhere to their value system or get them closer to their goals. Same with someone on the right even though what's rational would be very different for both of them.