Again, moving the goal post. Your initial post asked for example of “stateless utopias” to which I responded that utopias don’t exist. There is no example of government utopia either. But there are many examples stateless societies that were quite durable and interesting where inhabitants had high quality of life, were fulfilled and healthy. There are also thousands of examples of governed hell on earth nightmares. Your point wasn’t made. It was disproven with real world examples both showing that stateless societies can work quite well and are more durable than their centralized criminal syndicate counterparts and that governed societies are less resilient, can’t function for as long due to inbuilt weaknesses and almost always regress into murderous police states fueled by sociopaths and carried out by useful idiots.